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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189316901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189316901">(Feb 28 2020 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span>! The design meeting is <strong>starting now</strong>. Today's today is "Focused and efficient triage" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/247">compiler-team#247</a>. Pre-meeting notes can be found in <a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew">this hackmd</a>. The primary proposal to be discussed is the idea of creating a <strong>pre-triage working group</strong> -- but more broadly the notes cover some thoughts on the kinds of tasks we need to do, and who should be doing them.</p>
<p>Please add a <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> emoji to show you are here.</p>
<p>And now, in the leadup to the meeting, any...</p>
<h1>Announcements</h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189316912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189316912">(Feb 28 2020 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
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<li>Niko is getting a coffee</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317260">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> meeting is here :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317273">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317411" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317411">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, shall we get started?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317419" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317419">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me caffeinated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317485" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317485">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>the document is laid out with a proposal first, but we may want to first review the next section, which summarizes our status today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317507" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317507">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317518">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>(the <a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew#Summary-of-needs-and-proposals" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew#Summary-of-needs-and-proposals">Summary of needs and proposals</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317596" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317596">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>the motivation for this meeting I would say is that (a) a lot of work for our current triage process is falling on <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> and (b) there is a kind of lack of clarity I think around our goals, how we use our labels, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317613">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>that section <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> pointed at is an attempt to break down the kinds of things we need to be doing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317648" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317648">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
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<li>Monitor and identify "critical bugs" that are not making progress</li>
<li>For critical bugs not making progress, find someone to fix</li>
<li>Making general quality improvements and enhancements (i.e., "fixing non-critical bugs")</li>
<li>Ensuring deferred things are picked up again (e.g., future compatibility warnings)</li>
<li>Processing new issues, ensuring labels are up to date, identifying bugs that are out of date or have been fixed</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317664" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317664">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>those were the five things we wrote down, but I guess a first question is whether anyone things there are things missing :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317680">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Notably, we actually are pretty good at "Making general quality improvements and enhancements", as already noted in the document.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317688">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>(it basically happens organically)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317721">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>and our proposal for this meeting, now, is to talk about the first bullet above "Monitor and identify "critical bugs" that are not making progress"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317785" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317785">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>and maybe to some extent "Ensuring deferred things are picked up again (e.g., future compatibility warnings)" or some of the other</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317805">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I can't tell if folks are nodding along or are busy reading</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317822">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me busy reading.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317830">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>both, nodding and reading the doc :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317884" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317884">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:09)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317971">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I'll give a minute or two, but I'd like to hear folks' thoughts on the "today" (and of course the "proposed")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189317972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189317972">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, yeah: Our proposal for attacking the "Monitor and identify 'critical bugs' " is to create a WG to replace what I do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318044">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we have, uh, people who would be in that? One concern is that these likely need to be pretty experienced and involved I think to have a good sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318055" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318055">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> My take on the current state and our failure to do this mostly lies on the fact that we try to do too much synchronously and thus don’t spend enough time evaluating each separate issue we look at. Moving some of the process to be async via a wg sounds like a possible way forward, sure.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318057">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>ha, a solid question!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318058" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318058">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>THat is a good question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318141">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> Indeed. One of the results of some brainstorming that is captured in the document is an attempt to revise our prioritization scheme</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318173">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>But then, I feel like we already have an async process – people looking at the issue tracker routinely and sifting through the issues, tagging them etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318224">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Re: who might do it, I've been talking to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> about leading up this effort</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318242">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span>'s point of async is also quite relevant--</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318285" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318285">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span>  right. I just want to make sure that we have a way to draw attention to the critical bugs that <em>aren't</em> getting addressed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318291">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., I'm not sure how much experience is <em>truly</em> needed in a "sync" way,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318300">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think we do need some set of folks are dedicated and eager to learn</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318311">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I also think it's a good reason for us to be creating and refining guidelines</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318362">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189318300" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189318300">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>but I think we do need some set of folks are dedicated and eager to learn</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what I mean by this is ... like maybe at the beginning there are lots of questions, but over time if you've been doing it, I think we'll get a sense for "which are the things we judge to be most important"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318367">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>and/or who to ask</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318385" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318385">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318406" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318406">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe it'd be good to talk a bit more concretely?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318415">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>about how group might interface?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318424" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318424">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I think that's likely true, though the initial period needs pretty high dedication</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318488" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318488">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can totally do that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318510">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have a few people in mind. Just have to reach out to them to see if they are willing to join <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318574" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318574">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I personnaly would like to join. I think I'm falling in the <em>folks that are dedicated and eager to learn</em> category</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318597" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318597">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>If you need and want to accept newcomers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318615" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318615">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="255061">@LeSeulArtichaut</span> of course :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318626">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>We need people who have slight knowledge about the process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318678">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should think a bit about the "typical flow" for an issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318685">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., it gets freshly reported</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318689" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318689">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then what happens?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318704">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe for 2 or 3 categories of issues :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318711" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318711">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am annoyed I didn't try to write this up before hand</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318737" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318737">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>wg-triage/t-release should apply the appropriate labels at that point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318759">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>cc the relevant people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318765">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'll start editing in the hackmd, btw)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318771" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318771">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>right. Today wg-triage tags it with T-compiler and I-nominated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318789" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318789">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>which signals it as enqueued for prioritization</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318805">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?view#Typical-workflow" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?view#Typical-workflow">typical workflow section</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318816" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318816">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>and then each week I go through all such issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318848" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318848">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>and (currently) attach prioritizaiton labels: P-high/P-medium/P-low.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318905" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318905">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="126931">centril</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189318759" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189318759">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>cc the relevant people</p>
</blockquote>
<p>who are the "relevant people"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318913" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318913">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>We could push for triage to prioritize as well, though to be honest I have very little sense that our priority labels do... Anything at all. Maybe that's a false impression though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318914">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>The hackmd proposes some revamping of the priority labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318941">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  e.g. matthewjasper if the issue is about the borrow checker</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189318994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189318994">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I know. I'm just not sure that we can make them meaningful if people aren't looking at them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319007">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>One of the questions that's coming up already in this discussion I think is "should we have 2 distinct triage groups?" (i.e., release team vs compiler)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319010">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Are people looking at them? Beyond Felix?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319017" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319017">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think we can sidesteep that for a second</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319035">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would prefer them to be seperate groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319037">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>and just think about "triage group" more generally and then see if things fall into one category or the other</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319054">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case it seems like we want some folks to decide "is this a critical bug" or not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319137" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319137">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>and in case people didn't see it, I'm using "critical" to mean "potential release blocker" (it's obviously true that we don't usually block releases, but I think that term gives a good sense of the kind of severity we're talking about)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319146" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319146">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>ideally we don't block them because we always fix all the true blockers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319149">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>right. namely, it is <em>not</em> today's P-high</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319175">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319007" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319007">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>One of the questions that's coming up already in this discussion I think is "should we have 2 distinct triage groups?" (i.e., release team vs compiler)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think at least these things are splitable regardless of being tackled by the same group or two different ones</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319206">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't quite know what you mean, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319223" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319223">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>do you mean "the question of whether to have 2 distinct groups can be split out"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319256" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319256">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>no no, sorry, my message was very confusing, the 2 sets of tasks are clearly splitable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319258">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319175" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319175">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I think at least these things are splitable regardless of being tackled by the same group or two different ones</p>
</blockquote>
<p>which things are splittable ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319318" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319318">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>the first part that's tackled by release team and what felix does today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319340">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>The typical work flow for an ICE right now is:</p>
<ul>
<li>Apply labels (usually ICE), usually includes needs-bisection and needs-mcve</li>
<li>Nominate for t-compiler mtg</li>
<li>cc folks to bisect and shrink input</li>
<li>Felix labels as P-high or something</li>
<li>Someone magically appears to fix the bug, sometimes due to suggested assignment</li>
<li>PR gets reviewed and merged</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319346">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry I was stating something obvious because that's today handled by different people so of course tasks are splitable :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319417" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319417">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319010" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319010">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Are people looking at them? Beyond Felix?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>so <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span>, by this, you mean looking at the priority labels? I think I dispute the value of them at all. I think that, beyond critical vs non-criticial, we should leave the judgement of how frequently to review bugs, how important they are to fix, etc, to working groups or folks trying to maintain that area of the compiler (and I think we should separate the discussion of how to ensure that each part of the compiler has known maintainers, to some extent, though I do think that's a good thing to discuss).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319474" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319474">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>So you want the working group to nominate the issues?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319477">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, I mean priority labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319530" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319530">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>so when we said before "release team applies labels", we meant both <em>area</em> labels but also <em>nominated</em> labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319542">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I’m noticing is that the discussion is heading towards establishing a hierarchical process (while we did have one in the past, it wasn’t very well clear cut): somebody does initial tagging that does not require much looking into the task, then somebody else triages the task more, etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319551" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319551">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and maybe some other, e.g. "is it a regression")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319598" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319598">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>do all new bugs get nominated? or just some that seem "sufficiently important"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319601" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319601">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> i don't know, it doesn't have to be hierarchical necessarily.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319619">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  I don't nominate e.g. requires-nightly I-ICEs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319625">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's a waste of meeting time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319705">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span>  so instead such things don't get P-labels in the end, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319719" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319719">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> I might just apply P-medium immediately</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319722">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> so I think we're on the same page in the sense that there's no real need for p-labels at all, we need to instead push for "this bug needs attention first" basically</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319741">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., other than p-critical it's all the same</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319753">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I disagree slightly, in that I do think P-labels have meaning</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319766">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that meaning tends to not be useful enough</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319767">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Today: nobody does this “project wide” that we know of</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(I do look at forward compat stuff from time to time and try to drive some to completion, but one person doing it isn't enough)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319794">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh I almost wrote "Except for centril"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319797" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319797">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>to be clear, I'm not saying they don't have meaning, yes, just that we're not using that meaning :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319867">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>and thus I would prefer a labeling scheme that more directly conveys intent. The document brainstorms the idea of switcing to a "(re)visit frequency" scheme</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319868">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can help Centril with that if possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319944">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I've been trying to create a slightly expanded version of the workflow that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> noted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319950">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would note a few things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319966">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>we might think of the "canonical" workflow, but with some room for "Shortcuts"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319975">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>time check: we are 31 minutes into the meeting and now I'm not sure what agenda is anymore.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189319986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189319986">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., the canonical workflow is perhaps that "release team" nominates for compiler team triage to process appropriately</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320003">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but (a) sometimes those are going to be the same folks and (b) the compiler team publishes its guidelines and plans (ok, not yet)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320054">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>so perhaps we can skip nomination if the route is clear and just take those steps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320069">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319975" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189319975">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>time check: we are 31 minutes into the meeting and now I'm not sure what agenda is anymore.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>heh, I thought we were still trying to work out a bit the "workflow" for bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320093" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320093">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>as in, our idealized one? Or capturing current practice?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320098" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320098">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but maybe that's too down in the weeds :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320112">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was hoping to make the idealized one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320122">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I was starting a bit from what's there today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320147">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok so -- release team nominates for compiler team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320187" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320187">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this is somewhat where things split, right? i.e., we hvae to assess into various "Categories" of bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320273">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think those categories fit into the "needs" that we listed int he doc earlier, more or less</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320296">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, maybe not quite</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320313">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>T-release/triage does try to "classify" bugs before it goes to t-compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320361">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>but basically there are some things that can be true (I guess non-exclusive):</p>
<ul>
<li>critical -- should be tracked <em>by the compiler team triage group</em>, maybe in addition to others</li>
<li>needs team discussion -- </li>
<li>domain -- who should we cc and send this to for further discussion</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320430">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>in practice today, I add the P-labels, and for <em>some</em> P-high bugs, I decide that its so high priority (effectively P-critical as proposed here) that I add it to the explicit agenda for the weekly meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320460" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320460">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I think part of my goal in this proposal is to formalize that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320501" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320501">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I typically join in most meetings with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>  to help with adding those labels, etc.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320524" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320524">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>via the combination of the P-critical tag and the Hz-<em>freq</em> tag</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320562">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>One aspect of the proposal that might end up being confusing: if more than one team uses the frequently label, what team does it apply to?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320568">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(same problem with P-high today &amp; I-nominated today; we usually look at context of nomination etc. to see what it means)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320620">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't thikn it has to be teams even</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320627">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, I think as long as the bug itself is getting updated with that cadence</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320628">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., one thing I was thinking about was</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320635" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320635">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>then does it matter about the team assignment?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320645">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>the async-await working group has been trying to figure out how to manage our internal triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320656">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I think that a Hz- like thing might be good, but should that be distinct labels?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320696">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189320627" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189320627">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>well, I think as long as the bug itself is getting updated with that cadence</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that, combined with the triage team checking in at that same frequency (for P-critical bugs) to double check that they are on track to be fixed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320708">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>so let's stop one second and revisit what we've said</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320723" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320723">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems like there is general agreement that having a group focused on pre-triage is good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320736">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>instead of having <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> (and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span>) sort of do this ad-hoc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320775" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320775">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is already good because  Ithink a lot of this specific stuff we can work out a bit afterwards</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320822">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>instead of having <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> (and <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="126931">centril</span>) sort of do this ad-hoc</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> , etc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320834" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320834">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>we also talked about this idea of <strong>critical bugs</strong> as a key area of focus -- things that are potential <strong>release blockers</strong></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320896" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320896">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it seems like where there was less clarity was just what we should do <em>with</em> those critical bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320902">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think establishing the expectations/scope for this group is important</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320908">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., that's where the Hz- stuff comes in</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189320936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189320936">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>, that's probably a good scope for the meeting, do you think there is clarity on that? do you want to try and re-state?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321068">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's good to ask what's different about this group as compared to wg-triage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321076">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel that unless we very clearly denote what various priority levels mean and what things can be in there, we’ll just end up filling the category with a ton of stuff again.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321082">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>So lets see. Group needs to: 1. identify new P-critical bugs from amongst the nominated issues, 2. revisit the set of all P-critical bugs to double check that they have logged progress.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321132" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321132">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> right, as soon as the P-critical set becomes too big to realistically visit on a weekly basis, we have collectively failed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321142" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321142">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(this is what happened with P-high today.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321225" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321225">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>my hope is that by imposing a higher bar for marking something as P-critical, and a more aggressive <em>demoting</em> of such bugs to non P-critical, will help address that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321243">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel that we managed to get this right with the <code>regression-</code> tag – we generally tend to fix them very quickly, or, if we don’t manage to (which happens super rarely) it becomes a <code>regression-from-stable-to-stable</code> and everybody forgets about it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321260">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of expectation, I think there is also (3) of "prepare key highlights to guide the main meeting"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321274">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="126931">centril</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321068" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321068">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I think it's good to ask what's different about this group as compared to wg-triage</p>
</blockquote>
<p>its possible wg-triage ends up doing this.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321309">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="123586">nagisa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321243" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321243">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I feel that we managed to get this right with the <code>regression-</code> tag – we generally tend to fix them very quickly, or, if we don’t manage to (which happens super rarely) it becomes a <code>regression-from-stable-to-stable</code> and everybody forgets about it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes, and I think we should kind of formalize this concept, basically. The vast majority of critical bugs, I imagine, will be regressions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321331">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321260" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321260">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>in terms of expectation, I think there is also (3) of "prepare key highlights to guide the main meeting"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>right. In particular, a list of P-critical bugs that have <em>not</em> made progress or are in danger of slipping into release.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321342" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321342">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>is a clear candidate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321425">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>(this is what happened with P-high today.)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(worth recognizing the sheer amount of incoming bugs, many of them important, that we get... we do have a staffing issue -- but I think it's the point of reorganizing to get more staff to fix things)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321439">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> you wrote "identify new P-critical bugs from amongst the nominated issues" but I think there is a slightly larger mandate, to actually just review nominated issues and process them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321480" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321480">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321496">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>into finer-grained categories (critical, needs team discussion, delegate)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321512">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure about that, beyond tagging something as triaged and tagged as non-critical in some manner?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321532">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is "processing it"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321545" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321545">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>or that is what I meant by "delegate", I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321559">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>(in particular, we don't expect to review the nominated issues in the meeting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321621">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(unless they're added to the doc of "things worth talking about")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321639" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321639">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>the thing I don't want is for the pre-triage working group to get bogged down trying to decide what to do with the non-critical bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321681" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321681">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is something I want to make explicitly not part of scope; it needs to be delegated as quickly as possible to the relevant subteam.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321702">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I think they should just decide "critical, must be fixed" or "not critical, cc some folks and move on"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321725" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nell Shamrell-Harrington <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321725">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>how will they know who to cc for what?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321740" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321740">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>About delegation, maybe do something with the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/content/experts/map.toml" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/content/experts/map.toml">experts map</a>? Increase its visibility or readability?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321749" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321749">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should defer that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321796" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321796">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>since we have only 10 minutes left :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321805">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay I think I see your point <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> again now, your point is that some bugs they won't know whether it needs team discussion or should go direct to P-critical?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321855" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321855">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>P-critical bugs would presumably fall into (roughly) meeting agenda organizer's hands for that team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321871">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. still <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321881">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>knowing those things requires a certain amount of experience, maybe having hacked on the compiler a bit, knowing the right people, etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321882" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321882">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>mm, maybe? my point was that from your description, it read to me as if they were "scanning nominated bugs", but I think of it more like "They are processing the nominations"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321885">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="225192">Nell Shamrell-Harrington</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321725" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321725">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>how will they know who to cc for what?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think in principle there should be teams focusing on maintance for each area of the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321911" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321911">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>(yes, we have some notes on that in the doc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321915" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321915">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. I know to cc matthewjasper when I see something specific in the backtrace of an ICE</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321959">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we can do better at documenting some of these things but there will still be some element of experience, definitely</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189321978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189321978">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>ideally you'd not cc matthewjasper, for example, but "borrowck maintainance" or something :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322024">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>which I guess is sort of <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>'s point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322028">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322044">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321882" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321882">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>mm, maybe? my point was that from your description, it read to me as if they were "scanning nominated bugs", but I think of it more like "They are processing the nominations"</p>
</blockquote>
<p>maybe we're just saying the same thing here <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322052">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>ideally you'd not cc matthewjasper, for example, but "borrowck maintainance" or something <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Those are the same thing? :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322064">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mainly want to establish that nobody else ever uses a github query for "all nominated things"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322067">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321805" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189321805">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>okay I think I see your point <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> again now, your point is that some bugs they won't know whether it needs team discussion or should go direct to P-critical?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>in practice, I'm not sure we need to distinguish between "pre-triage didn't know how to prioritize" vs "P-critical"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322070">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or should have to)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322079">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>in either case, if its not being fixed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322090">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>then it needs to be part of T-Compiler agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322095">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, I think that means "they add it to the meeting agenda"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322109">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>It would be handy if there's a doc with different areas and a person and probably a backup to ping</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322118">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>"it" = "p-critical bug"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322131">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322135">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>not necessarily, I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322146" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322146">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>"it" == "not non-critical bug that is not making progress"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322148">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think "it" is "some bug where it is unclera what to do"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322152" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322152">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322079" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322079">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>in either case, if its not being fixed</p>
</blockquote>
<p>A lot of things aren't being fixed is I guess my point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322156">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>but typically that would be <strong>critical </strong>bug not making progress</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322162">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="120823">DPC</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322109" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322109">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>It would be handy if there's a doc with different areas and a person and probably a backup to ping</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Isn't that what the experts map is for?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322173">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, we have 5000+ issues that are mostly not making progress, so I'm confusd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322231">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Experts map?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322233" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322233">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, not non-critical</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322238" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322238">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322240">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322247">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>sorry I was trying to be cute</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322260">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="120823">DPC</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322231" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322231">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Experts map?</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/content/experts/map.toml" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/blob/master/content/experts/map.toml">This</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322292">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah thanks that if is up to date should be sufficient</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322296">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>should have written "potentially or definitely critical, and not being fixed"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322297">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>the high-level view here:</p>
<ul>
<li>this group figures out what is the best use of the compiler team triage meeting</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322299" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322299">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>like, we have 5000+ issues that are mostly not making progress, so I'm confusd</p>
</blockquote>
<p>A lot of those are feature requests, requests for diagnostics improvements, tracking issues, etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322327">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oops, didn't mean to write that here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322370">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, we don't have a ready way to actually tell if our issue database is completely out of control or not today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322373">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>or at least I don't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322374">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do often sweep through those issues, not easy to close</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322453" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322453">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there is a separable discussion of "the group, perhaps in conjunction with release team wg-triage, also owns the issue tracker" and hence it is totally ins cope for them to adjust labels or practices there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322467">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>in order to make things more efficient, better, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322518">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but their main job is to cultivate the meeting and to ensure that critical bugs don't get into a release, with a secondary goal of "relevant folks know about the bugs that they should know about"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322532">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, 3 mintues left</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322545" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322545">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am wondering if it is possible to preprae a kind of bullet charter</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322552">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>my current plan is to continue doing pre-triage as I have been</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322553">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>probably not in 3 minutes :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322619">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>We can asynchronously try to establish charter for this group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322632">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>there remains question of whether it should be melded with wg-triage in some way</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322680">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would lean strongly towards no, at least not initially</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322693" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322693">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I have noticed a somewhat of an explosion of new issues, getting opened faster than we can close... we were holding below 5000 for a long time and then we couldn't do it anymore)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322698" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322698">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> wasn't wrong that these <strong>can</strong> be two separate tasks. But there may be efficiency gains from trying to synergize efforts there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322700">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>if membership is the same or strongly overlapping that's fine though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322720" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322720">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>The triage wg mainly consists of newcomers though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322733" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322733">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>So we need "wg-advanced-triage"? :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322735" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322735">(Feb 28 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322698" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322698">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> wasn't wrong that these <strong>can</strong> be two separate tasks. But there may be efficiency gains from trying to synergize efforts there</p>
</blockquote>
<p>definitely, I even wonder if I should participate on both efforts and how crazy that would be :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322789" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322789">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>triaged-squared</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322830">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>cubaged</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322841" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322841">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay that's enough out of me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322867">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we should make a separate topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322868">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems like it makes sense to have triage efforts that are progressively narrower</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322872">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of expertise</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322894" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322894">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>for people to join who are interested in participating a drafting of charter?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322895">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean in future we can always merge them if we consider one of them redundant</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322920">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, I started toying with a <a href="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?view#%E2%80%9CMission-statement%E2%80%9D-for-proposed-group" target="_blank" title="https://hackmd.io/5theN85oRS6QvyYPZt-vew?view#%E2%80%9CMission-statement%E2%80%9D-for-proposed-group">mission statement</a> but yes let's end the meeting now ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322973">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>for people to join who are interested in participating a drafting of charter?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what does that means?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189322977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189322977">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>for people to join who are interested in participating a drafting of charter?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yep, I will spin up a topic in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta">#t-compiler/wg-meta</a> I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323044">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322973" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322973">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189322894">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>for people to join who are interested in participating a drafting of charter?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what does that means?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>well, what I was thinking is: If a person is interested in assisting and wants to help write down what the group will do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323061" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323061">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>then they could join in that area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323071">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I can help</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323078" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323078">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can, too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323108">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should probably be in this group but I wonder if I have time...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323188">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323192">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>You have a 25 min break xD</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323197">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>my own hope is that by adding people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323211">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>it will end up being less of a burden to each participant</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323239">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> you just meant "do I have time this moment to participate in the charter discussion" ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323247">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>is the goal for the triage group to have meetings?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323287">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>created <a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="185694" href="/#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/charter.20for.20focused.20and.20efficient.20triage">#t-compiler/wg-meta &gt; charter for focused and efficient triage</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323296">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does any group have "have meetings" as a goal (rather than a means to an end) ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323305">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>  not the charter discussion but the group itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323318" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323318">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking we could have a meeting to aggregate the efforts and prepare the report which Niko was talking about last week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323349">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> let me rephrase: will the group have regular meetings? :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323403" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323403">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would imagine the group operating in some combination of sync/async, that's to be worked out by group itself imo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323414" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323414">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="120823">DPC</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189323318" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28/near/189323318">said</a>:</p>
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<p>I was thinking we could have a meeting to aggregate the efforts and prepare the report which Niko was talking about last week</p>
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<p>basically this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323422">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I suppose its up to the group to decide <em>how</em> it will achieve the visit frequency we hope for</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323433" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323433">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323471" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323471">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I made a choice to try to do pre-triage at roughly the same time, or at least same day, each week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323521" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323521">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323523" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323523">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>time is up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/189323532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#189323532">(Feb 28 2020 at 16:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks to <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> for attending!!!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/190379463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#190379463">(Mar 12 2020 at 11:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey -- can somebody prepare the minutes for this meeting and post a PR to compiler-team (similar to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/255" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/255">compiler-team#255</a>). I think this would be done by (a) starting with the hackmd we prepared and adding links to notable comments or points, it may not require much editing honestly, I don't remember. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> maybe you want to do that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design%20meeting%202020-02-28/near/190384767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/design.20meeting.202020-02-28.html#190384767">(Mar 12 2020 at 12:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I can do that</p>



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